regulation, and conservation measures –
or the civil rights movement, to learn
how it created the pressure that allowed
the voting rights and desegregation acts
to pass.
I find it interesting, though, that Lincoln didn’t read biographies – at least
you don’t hear about him reading of
Washington or Jefferson, the people you
would imagine he’d be very interested
in. He was more impressed by their
words. It’s the documents of American
history – the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence – that became
his inspiration. He said himself that he
never had a thought that didn’t come
from the Declaration of Independence.
If Lincoln is Obama’s role model, then
he might want to go back to those documents and study them in great detail. I
think that appreciating them and their
great promise is what makes you understand what hope is all about.
country won World War II. But he reminded them that America had faced
disasters before and had come out the
other side. Despite the cruel winter at
Valley Forge, for example, Americans
still won independence. FDR’s speech
was so successful that thousands of
affirming telegrams flooded into the
White House.
Obviously there’s a fine line between
optimism that’s simply not credible and
a sense of real confidence that there’s
something about the United States and
its people and its system that’s going
to make the country pull together and
get out of this hole. Roosevelt once said
something like, “The most efficient dictatorship could never compete with the
free energies of a free people in a democratic system.” I think that’s right – and
not just for the United States but for democracies around the world.
Fitzgeralds, FDR, LBJ, Lincoln,
and now Theodore Roosevelt –
whom would you choose to spend
an evening with?
Lincoln, without question. It took me
10 years to write his biography, and he
was a very amiable companion all those
years.
If I did get to meet him, though, I
wouldn’t ask him what I, as a historian,
know I’m supposed to ask him – about
what he would have done to bring the
country together after the Civil War, had
he lived. I’d ask him to tell me stories.
Everyone remarked upon his extraordinary sense of humor, and he was widely
admired as a storyteller. He said himself
that a good story is better than a drop of
whiskey. I’d just sit at the kitchen table
with him and have him tell me one story
after another, for then he would truly
come to life again.
Do you really have such hope when
everything seems to be crashing
down around us?
Yes, I really do. In times of crisis, things
become possible that wouldn’t be possible in ordinary times. The way the
U.S. government is set up, with so many
checks and balances, means that it almost takes a deep crisis to move forward.
So there are only certain moments in
history when great change can take
place. FDR had this opportunity in the
Depression; Lincoln did during the Civil
War. Obama has that same great opportunity now. The challenges Americans
are now facing give him a chance to pull
the country together in new ways, working across party lines.
Also, history is a great reminder that,
however bad things look today, they’ve
been worse before, and Americans still
pulled through. Today’s crisis is not as
bad as the Great Depression, let alone
the Civil War that Lincoln confronted.
One of my favorite FDR speeches is one
he made in 1942 that was very similar
to Obama’s victory speech in Chicago.
FDR warned his listeners that there
would be many failures before the
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